10:20:31	 From Bob McGwier : I'm back. Computer hung. 
10:20:44	 From John Hays - K7VE : Thanks Bob
10:21:55	 From Adam Lewis (KC7GDY) (airgapped) ARIX : working!
10:24:35	 From Donald Jacob : yes
10:24:40	 From John Hays - K7VE : Yes -- put questions here.
10:59:07	 From Steve Stroh N8GNJ : HOW do you accept applicants for the grant making?
11:00:46	 From ARDC : N8GNJ: see links on https://www.ampr.org/giving/
11:01:06	 From ARDC : Currently use HotCRP https://mailman.ampr.org/hotcrp/
11:01:22	 From John Gilmore (W0GNU) to ARDC (Privately) : If this is kc, rename yourself...
11:01:33	 From Adam Lewis (KC7GDY) (airgapped) ARIX : Do you have to have 501 before applying or can it be formed after.
11:01:35	 From John Hays - K7VE : Use the Hotcrp page to create an account and submit your request through it.
11:01:56	 From John Hays - K7VE : Adam -- we like to see it before funds are released.
11:02:17	 From kc (kc6kcc) [ardc board member] to John Gilmore (W0GNU) (Privately) : Sorry/tnx
11:02:25	 From John Gilmore (W0GNU) : At the moment you have to be a 501c3 to receive a grant from us.  If you aren't one yet, we can't send the grant even if we like the idea.  That's why some orgs get a fiscal sponsor who is already a 501c3.
11:02:33	 From John Hays - K7VE : Fiscal Sponsorship is a good way to do it if you don't already have 501(c)3
11:03:05	 From Steve Stroh N8GNJ : Apologies for being inexact in this very EXACT organization. Rosy said “if you’re interested in being on the committee, get in touch with us”. There is nothing about applying for the committee on the pages that were mentioned.
11:03:29	 From John Gilmore (W0GNU) : Send email to rosy@ampr.org about anything that you're not sure about.
11:03:31	 From Antonis (HB/SV2OIY) : In the Eligibility slide (18/34), you mention the entities you can give legally grants to. Does this mean that all of these entities are considered to receive grants today, or is this just an ability?
11:04:32	 From Bob McGwier : They are considered today or we are going through the process to do the grant legally.  
11:05:04	 From Bob McGwier : several in the pending category are "awaiting legal approval"
11:05:14	 From Antonis (HB/SV2OIY) : And a second question :)
So far, if I remember the amount correctly, $2.5M has been given. All eligible entities marked as "International" are in the "Future" category. Does this mean that 100% of this amount has been given to US entities?
11:05:40	 From Bdale KB0G : no
11:06:22	 From Antonis (HB/SV2OIY) : Thanks for the response!
11:06:35	 From Bdale KB0G : one signficant approved grant is to Intel, but actually sending the money is pending legal paperwork 
11:06:54	 From Bdale KB0G : international,  not intel
11:07:49	 From Antonis (HB/SV2OIY) : Q: Maybe I have missed this, but are there any diversity metrics for the Grant Committee? 
11:08:01	 From Donald Jacob : How does ARDC enforce the fund spending after it has been granted?
11:08:12	 From Bob McGwier : It is not good. Apply!! 
11:08:32	 From David Ranch KI6ZHD : What is the long term plan for the fund?  Is the plan to liquidate it over time or keep it self-funding through investment?  Are there any future plans or protections on the remaining 44.x.x.x address space to be sold off
11:08:38	 From Bob McGwier : There are oversight agreements especially in restricted grants 
11:09:14	 From Steve Stroh N8GNJ : Who are those “501c3 sponsor” orgs that individual projects can apply for ARDC funding via?
11:09:18	 From Bob McGwier : The plan is to spend what it earns. Given the goal you should estimate the size of the find is large 
11:09:31	 From Bob McGwier : *fund
11:10:03	 From Bob McGwier : There are NO plans to sell off more address space 
11:10:43	 From Steve Stroh N8GNJ : ARRL, YASME, etc. aren’t exactly progressive enough to understand deeply technical projects. One I have in mind is New Packet Radio which is an individual in France who’s making great progress.
11:11:15	 From Paul Sladen DL/2E0PHS : The sale was $109 million, minus 0.5% brokerage fee.
11:11:21	 From Charles N2NOV : Actually $109MM
11:11:31	 From Adam Lewis (KC7GDY) (airgapped) ARIX : Great!
11:13:24	 From Bob McGwier : Steve I will help them and or you successfully work a grant 
11:13:44	 From Bob McGwier : I'm already doing that with multiple groups 
11:14:12	 From Bob McGwier : In retirement, for now, this is my job. 
11:15:01	 From Bob McGwier : And required by IRS rules 
11:16:03	 From Charles N2NOV : Could the list be made available so that small groups can contact them?
11:16:17	 From Bob McGwier : Yes 
11:16:31	 From Bob McGwier : Rosy cab arrange that for the web site 
11:16:37	 From Bob McGwier : *can 
11:17:18	 From John Hays - K7VE : It would not be exhaustive -- I would suggest your local clubs and government entities as a good start.
11:18:11	 From Charles N2NOV : most local clubs in my area do not have a 501c3 because of costs, etc. Local gov't is anti- volunteer axcept for the big ones like red cross.
11:18:16	 From kc (kc6kcc) [ardc board member] : I think Rosy has a lot more content to present on the survey..
11:18:24	 From Bob McGwier : she does
11:18:38	 From Bob McGwier : we will work on that. we know we need to
11:20:55	 From Charles N2NOV : thank you Phil
11:21:09	 From Paul Sladen DL/2E0PHS : Re: "Do we have budget for this?" earlier in the slides
What is the FY2020 budget (ignoring staff costs) for ARDC's priority core mission of maintaining/developing extant 44net/AmprGW core infrastructure.
11:21:27	 From Daniel HB9GVD : how can we in europe/switzerland can make sure to be 501c3 equivalant? eg. a hamclub here has not to pay taxes. is that ok. phil is talking now. will this rules distributed my 44net?
11:22:27	 From Doug Kingston, KD7DK : In the UK, you would need to be recognized by the Charities Commission.  Not sure about the EU.
11:23:43	 From John Gilmore (W0GNU) : We are going thru this with DARC.DE now; perhaps Jann can describe the process from the non-US org's point of view.
11:24:34	 From N2MH-Mark : Are the market investments being professionally managed?
11:24:56	 From Doug Kingston, KD7DK : Yes, right Phil
11:27:58	 From Daniel HB9GVD : somebody needs to apply for grants for maintaining/developing extant 44net/AmprGW core and access infrastructure. eg. now switzerland hamnet is isolated and nowbody is able to fix it
11:28:23	 From Adam Lewis (KC7GDY) (airgapped) ARIX : Would it be advantageous to setup a separate funding 501 to be the recipient of Grants, and controller
11:29:24	 From John Hays - K7VE : We need to move forward, we will have more question time later.
11:29:27	 From Jann Traschewski, dg8ngn : Daniel, can you give an exact example? I'm pretty sure it is connected.
11:30:48	 From John Gilmore (W0GNU) : Daniel, Chris Smith G1FEF is already paid to debug issues with the 44net infrastructure.  Of course if it's a problem in a radio in a tower on a mountaintop somewhere, he can't fix that from the UK, but he can fix anything in the AmprGW configuration, portal, etc.
11:31:37	 From Chris Smith G1FEF : Sure, Daniel - do contact me if I can help: chris@g1fef.co.uk
11:32:46	 From John Gilmore (W0GNU) : Also, the grant that's pending to DARC.DE is for a fund that will provide small grants to European ham groups to improve the HAMNET physical infrastructure and its interconnections with nearby countries.  Jann knows more.
11:33:31	 From kc (kc6kcc) [ardc board member] : We are eager to receive grant proposals to evolve 44net/amprnet infrastructure.
11:35:06	 From Adam Lewis (KC7GDY) (airgapped) ARIX : great
11:35:36	 From Daniel HB9GVD : jann is helping fixing it... thank you all
11:36:10	 From Jann Traschewski, dg8ngn : John is right. We plan to support across the border. Details will follow as soon as administrational things have been a success.
11:46:28	 From John Gilmore (W0GNU) : We are actively interested in your ideas on how we can bring younger people and women into ham radio.  We are talking with a few organizations but we want many more.
11:48:22	 From Paul Sladen DL/2E0PHS : @rosy, please flip back to the previous slide with the URL on it.
11:48:28	 From Andy_M0MUX : Sorry, Could we have the Survey Result link again please?
11:48:41	 From Donald Jacob : Are there plans to add the 44net "group" to the ARDC?
11:48:44	 From Andy_M0MUX : thanks
11:49:08	 From Chris Smith G1FEF : bit.ly/ARDCsurvey2020
11:49:51	 From Paul Sladen DL/2E0PHS : https://bit.ly/ARDCsurvey2020
11:49:56	 From Antonis (HB/SV2OIY) : Does the Grant Committee plan to make different investment decisions since the survey only had 60-70 respondents? For example, could they instead prefer an area of focus for grants, although this wasn't highlighted by the people?
11:50:44	 From Antonis (HB/SV2OIY) : Yes, correct
11:50:49	 From Antonis (HB/SV2OIY) : Grant Decisions 
11:51:51	 From David Ranch KI6ZHD : I would recommend to poll the group for a new set of questions for the next poll round.  The last poll was a good start but a few more polls will help you best understand the 44net membership
11:52:13	 From Antonis (HB/SV2OIY) : My main concern was seeing the least wanted area to be Diversity & Inclusion, and then seeing only 4 women, and this message about young people. 
11:52:45	 From John Gilmore (W0GNU) : We know that people want more funding for digital ham radio infrastructure.  The DARC grant is the first attempt to do that for Europe.   The challenge really is in how to spend money to make the infrastructure better.  The infrastructure is widely distributed, owned by different people and clubs, administered by many folks, etc.   
11:53:50	 From John Gilmore (W0GNU) : We are interested in improving the protocols and software, the modulation methods, etc.  These are longer term improvements, but the sooner we start, the sooner we will see these improvements roll out.
11:54:32	 From Adam Lewis (KC7GDY) (airgapped) ARIX : Would adding a chat group increase Younger crowd participation.. Such as Discord
11:54:42	 From Jim K6IYK : Other than 44net, what other Amateur Radio organizations are providing input to ARDC?
11:54:53	 From rosy : I love that idea, KCYGDY
11:55:02	 From Tim Osburn, W7XS : ARDC Slack group
11:55:35	 From Paul Sladen DL/2E0PHS : @Tim: could a link to the ARDC slack group be shared?
11:55:43	 From kc (kc6kcc) [ardc board member] : KI6ZHD — survey should have had a question “please add a question you think we should add to next survey.”  Please send suggestions for future survey questions to rosy@ampr.org
11:55:53	 From Bob McGwier : it takes over a year to set up a 501c3 BEFORE Covid
11:56:06	 From kc (kc6kcc) [ardc board member] : Or to net44 list, maybe it will inspire others to suggest good questions.
11:56:10	 From Bob McGwier : I've done two in the last two years
11:56:20	 From Tim Osburn, W7XS : @Paul Sladen: Suggesting one
11:56:51	 From DL5MLO : In many cases projects for eg. young people are small things, you could neeed a few hundred EUR/USD, how can that be done efficiently, now and in the future ?
11:57:01	 From Tim Osburn, W7XS : Slack has 5013c support
11:57:23	 From Bob McGwier : Apologise to all I have to leave. I hope I can be helpful to those needing help in writing grants 
11:58:22	 From John Hays - K7VE : DL5MLC -- this would be an area where a group could request a grant to administer the small requests.
11:58:38	 From Petrescu Teodora : Our bigest issue on 44net is the fact that young people are attracted by services on this net, services not available on the "regular" internet. Thisc could be a starting point: how to make 44net more attractive.
11:58:56	 From John Gilmore (W0GNU) : DL5MLO, great question.  It's much easier for individuals to spend a few hundred EUR or USD than it is for a nonprofit to grant it out.  The Yasme Foundation has done some of that kind of small grants for DXCC work.
11:59:22	 From Jim K6IYK : I would like to express the total confidence I have in the ARDC leadership team.
11:59:24	 From Daniel HB9GVD : thank you rosy, phil,  jann especially and all others
11:59:31	 From Donald Jacob : Thanks Rosy and all participants.
11:59:34	 From Adam Lewis (KC7GDY) (airgapped) ARIX : Thanks all
11:59:35	 From Petrescu Teodora : Thank you.
11:59:38	 From Andy_M0MUX : Thanks All
11:59:40	 From Antonis (HB/SV2OIY) : Thank you all very much for this event!
11:59:54	 From Ken - KD6OAT : Thank you Rosy and everyone. This was very informative.
11:59:54	 From Tim Pozar KC6GNJ : Thanks for all that could join!
11:59:56	 From Andy_M0MUX : woot! :)
11:59:59	 From Hank Magnuski : Great work, Rosy
12:00:10	 From David M. - WD5M : Thank you for doing this. It's been great information.
12:00:10	 From Tim Pozar KC6GNJ : Yes!  A big thank you to Rosy
12:00:17	 From Charles N2NOV : everything open source please
12:00:18	 From Janko S57NK : Thanks for very well done videoconf!
12:00:19	 From Robert OE6RKE : tnx 4 reporting
12:00:32	 From Daniel HB9GVD : slack is evil too ;)
12:00:33	 From Paul Sladen DL/2E0PHS : Apologies, sounded like something was already running.
12:00:38	 From Daniel HB9GVD : irc !!
12:00:43	 From Tony Q, AH6BW : Thank you all
12:00:51	 From John Gilmore (W0GNU) : cuseeme!
12:00:52	 From DL5MLO : nah, wwconvers
12:00:54	 From Charles N2NOV : WWconvers is underused. I host Hub_NA
12:00:58	 From Adam Lewis (KC7GDY) (airgapped) ARIX : There are free ones  …
12:01:05	 From Petrescu Teodora : Younger people tend to use social platforms...
12:01:08	 From Steve Stroh N8GNJ : The system that most younger folks that I know of is Discord.
12:01:12	 From Jann Traschewski, dg8ngn : We run WWCOnvers with IRC-Interface on Net44
12:01:13	 From Adam Lewis (KC7GDY) (airgapped) ARIX : Yes disccord
12:01:20	 From Tim Pozar KC6GNJ : Guess we could stand up an AX.25 BBS :-)
12:01:22	 From Tim Osburn, W7XS : Exactly Rosy
12:01:30	 From Charles N2NOV : JNOS
12:01:33	 From Adam Lewis (KC7GDY) (airgapped) ARIX : @tim Hah!
12:01:34	 From Petrescu Teodora : But WWChat is clearly underused.
12:01:43	 From Bdale KB0G : Tim...
12:02:00	 From Adam Lewis (KC7GDY) (airgapped) ARIX : Who’s going to setup.. Are you offering Chris
12:02:12	 From Chris Smith G1FEF : sure
12:02:27	 From Tim Osburn, W7XS : And lets make use of github
12:02:36	 From Tim Pozar KC6GNJ : I was kidding!
12:02:51	 From Janko S57NK : back to IRC! :)
12:03:11	 From Paul Sladen DL/2E0PHS : The mailing list works well.
12:03:13	 From David M. - WD5M : Advertising / marketing to desired groups and platforms
12:03:15	 From Bdale KB0G : tick-tock videos of Morse key dances?
12:05:08	 From Petrescu Teodora : Most open source development happens on the big github. Using a private one is counterproductive for other than private projects.
12:05:20	 From Doug Kingston, KD7DK : solicit questions sooner rather than later
12:05:20	 From Adam Lewis (KC7GDY) (airgapped) ARIX : https://discord.gg/UkGXR8  Heres one ADRC
12:05:34	 From Antonis (HB/SV2OIY) : I think gathering the questions first makes more sense
12:06:17	 From Antonis (HB/SV2OIY) : The recording will send you a link, which will contain the video as MP4, and the chat as text. 
12:07:12	 From Ronnie Montgomery (W0RDM) : One of the suggestions was an identity source.  It would be neat to move forward with that project, then any of these other 'resources' that we create... could use that single identity source. 
12:07:49	 From David Ranch KI6ZHD : NPR70!
12:07:49	 From Jann Traschewski, dg8ngn : We are working on http://hnap.de
12:07:58	 From Petrescu Marius (YO2LOJ) : Ooops, I just used my wife's name on this chat. Sorry for that.
12:10:03	 From Marius Petrescu, YO2LOJ : Btw, D-Rats is also under active development.
12:10:28	 From Jann Traschewski, dg8ngn : https://github.com/dl9rdz/gr-dstardd
12:10:29	 From DL9SAU next try : Need a SIM Card for LTE on HAM BANDS ;))
12:10:57	 From David Ranch KI6ZHD : NPR70 is not perfect but it is under manufactnring now
12:11:20	 From DL5MLO : Tom, osmocom sold those and they were not that expensive
12:11:45	 From Paul Sladen DL/2E0PHS : +1 Bdale
12:12:06	 From Janko S57NK : There is also a NBP by S53MV for up to 10Mb/s on 23, 13, 9cm 
12:12:07	 From Jim K6IYK : Additional ARDC Zoom Meetings to "just talk about ideas" and find volunteers would be worthwhile, in my opinion. 
12:12:36	 From rosy : Copy, K6IYK!
12:12:42	 From DL5MLO : Yes, LTE Band 40
12:12:47	 From DL5MLO : TDD 2.3-2.4 GHz
12:13:14	 From DL5MLO : I had a discussion with BNetzA in Friedrichshafen a few years ago
12:13:42	 From DL5MLO : theres a few more issues you have to deal with then, namely other peoples phones also trying to attach
12:13:57	 From Jann Traschewski, dg8ngn : Indeed :/
12:14:18	 From Donald Jacob : Good idea Jim.
12:14:46	 From Steve Stroh N8GNJ : Please DO save this chat and make it available afterward. There’s some real gems in here.
12:15:14	 From rosy : You got it, N8GNJ
12:16:25	 From Daniel HB9GVD : but hnap is limited to adalm pluto, isn't it
12:16:31	 From kc (kc6kcc) [ardc board member] to Tim Osburn, W7XS (Privately) : So this is an ARDC-pays-for-it zoom channel. Should we set up an ‘open house office hours’ for anyone to use it, a couple different hours a week?  Would need to pick a few time zones, and maybe a moderator and keep the chat?
12:17:04	 From Marius Petrescu, YO2LOJ : Could we actual do similar periodic meetings for the 44net? Say once per monts?
12:17:08	 From Marius Petrescu, YO2LOJ : ^month
12:17:12	 From kc (kc6kcc) [ardc board member] : So this is an ARDC-pays-for-it zoom channel. Should we set up an ‘open house office hours’ for anyone to use it, a couple different hours a week?  Would need to pick a few time zones, and maybe a moderator and keep the chat?
 — technically it should happen on ham bands, but.. ;)
12:17:33	 From Daniel HB9GVD : an sdr implementation of NPR would be great
12:17:47	 From Jann Traschewski, dg8ngn : HNAP is open. HNAP4PlutoSDR is for Pluto only.
12:17:51	 From Marius Petrescu, YO2LOJ : kc6kcc: That's a nice idea!
12:18:15	 From Jim K6IYK : The VARA product is making a major impact.
12:18:18	 From Daniel HB9GVD : yes, a hw for HNAP without PlutoSDR, would be grat
12:18:38	 From Steve Stroh N8GNJ : No, not wide open. Need a moderator just in case.
12:18:38	 From DL5MLO : Can we rather have a working own server ? This Zoom thing I only see a black screen, and the ad blocker lights up like a chrismas tree...
12:18:39	 From Tim Osburn, W7XS to kc (kc6kcc) [ardc board member] (Privately) : You can set auto record for all meetings
12:18:53	 From Tim Osburn, W7XS to kc (kc6kcc) [ardc board member] (Privately) : I use zoom all day
12:19:18	 From Bdale KB0G : we're not zoom fans, either...
12:19:28	 From DL9SAU next try : jitsi is good. Btw, the DARC has a bigbluebutton infrastructure
12:19:43	 From Daniel HB9GVD : hope jitsi is working better next time. maybe they need to choose a better instance with more performance
12:19:43	 From John Gilmore (W0GNU) : (There aren't any ads here -- perhaps your blocker is blocking the incoming video images of the other participants.)
12:20:08	 From Daniel HB9GVD : Yes, or BBB is opensource as well
12:20:09	 From Steve Stroh N8GNJ : Zoom, for all its evils, does scale.
12:20:33	 From David M. - WD5M : I've been running my own Jitsi server on a VPS for a few months. it's not Zoom but I control the server.
12:20:35	 From Tim Osburn, W7XS : Zomm++
12:20:47	 From Tim Osburn, W7XS : Zoom++ :)
12:20:54	 From Daniel HB9GVD : i am running my jitsi server with 50 people, np
12:20:55	 From Jim K6IYK : I have had over 150 people on Zoom with great success.
12:21:12	 From Bdale KB0G : thanks everyone,  I need to drop and support a rocket team I mentor...
12:21:16	 From David M. - WD5M : Just need to size the server appropriately
12:21:31	 From DL5MLO : You can test jitsi.fem.tu-ilmenau.de
12:21:53	 From Marius Petrescu, YO2LOJ : Now that's a good first step "investment": Get a ARDC jitsi server :-)
12:21:59	 From Tim Osburn, W7XS : That’s also a good argument to keep using something that “Just works"
12:22:25	 From Daniel HB9GVD : yes, ARDC shall invest in its own BBB and jitsi server!!
12:22:32	 From Steve Stroh N8GNJ : Buy out VARA!!!
12:22:34	 From Doug Kingston, KD7DK : VARA would be great to open source
12:22:43	 From Tim Osburn, W7XS : Buy out zoom and open source it :)
12:22:50	 From Daniel HB9GVD : lol
12:23:03	 From Steve Stroh N8GNJ : VARA would just explode if it could be ported to other platforms than Windows.
12:23:54	 From Marius Petrescu, YO2LOJ : You need a platform with web support, otherwise you will restrict its reachability.
12:25:24	 From Antonis (HB/SV2OIY) : Thanks a lot for this transparency! 
12:25:31	 From Marius Petrescu, YO2LOJ : One idea could be a ARDC VPS setup, for community centered applications and sites. Hosted by ARDC, maintained by interested parties. Not expensive, but with big impact.
12:25:48	 From Adam Lewis (KC7GDY) (airgapped) ARIX : Good
12:25:51	 From DL9SAU next try : In behalf the RF-based HAMNET (where no crypto is allowed), it's still a good question how to do videoconference. I.e. webrtc demands ssl.
12:25:55	 From Doug Kingston, KD7DK : Bye everyone!
12:25:56	 From Tim Osburn, W7XS : You can transfer host
12:26:00	 From Hank Magnuski : Bye everyone, great meeting.
12:26:01	 From Marius Petrescu, YO2LOJ : Tnx. Rosie.
12:26:04	 From Steve Stroh N8GNJ : Clap Clap to Rosy!!!!
12:26:09	 From Adam Lewis (KC7GDY) (airgapped) ARIX : Thx
12:26:15	 From Antonis (HB/SV2OIY) : Thank you all!
12:26:56	 From Andy HB9DVI : Thanks to all.
12:28:08	 From Daniel HB9GVD : still....
12:28:10	 From HB9AVV Rolf Salzmann : Rolf HB9AVV Thank you very much to all.